LLucan Dleaur
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Posted - 2006.05.21 06:18:00 -
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Edited by: LLucan Dleaur on 21/05/2006 06:21:32
 Originally by: TekDragon
I guess my image of "honor vs grief" is this:
--forgive me if any of this is factually incorrect or uses bad terminology. I'm basing it off what i've read --
You're a PvP'er in a low security system. Your alliance is preying on ships that pass through the area. A low value frigate pops in on its way between traveling to another high security area. You ignore him (or even charge him a small "toll" for passage). Then a huge mining ship, without any escort, comes through - you all pile on immediately.
I would consider killing the first guy "ganking or griefing", while the second as legitimate (the guy was obviously experienced, had an expensive ship/cargo, and knew he should have had an escort).
How it is, usually, in EVE?
Fact is, "griefer" vs. "pirate" is a meaningless distinction in EVE. I had your perspective when I first started playing Eve and I really hated the pirates who ganked me. Once I moved to 0.0 space, my entire perspective changed. I will hunt pirates, but I don't "hate" them. They are part of the ecology of Eve. I have even occasionally thought about trying some of my own pirating (must... resist... temptation...).
Frankly, I don't think there is "honorable" vs. "dishonorable" pirating. Pirating is pirating, and it can be fun, lucrative, dangerous, and just a normal fact of life. Every pirate develops their own rules, principles and motivations. And every victim has their own opinion about their pirate. Pirating just IS.
My point is that "griefer"/"PK" or any other label for unfair, nasty b******* who ruin the game is purely subjective. Pirates are not "exploiting" an environment to make people miserable, they are operating within Eve's universe of possibilities to make a living.  If you are a noobie flying in low-sec space and get ganked, and you don't know that you are risking loss by being there, then you need to learn very quickly. If you are in high-sec space and get ganked, you will learn that there is NO truly safe space. This is a roleplay experience. Life happens, s*** happens. That is why I love this game. There are tremendous risks to be taken and tremendous rewards to be had.
So don't take pirating personal. Just get even. 
Course this is my opinion, and everyone has their own here. But if you want to have the most fun with Eve, don't take ship loss and podding personal. If you die, try to understand why it happened and how you could have avoided it. Sometimes the best defense is a good offence, and sometimes the best defense is to run. But I see too many whiners on the forums who have the wrong view of what Eve is about and they just miss out on the all the fun by crying over their lost ships and (dare I say it?) stupidity. Every ship I have lost, I have used to learn and improve myself.
/me steps down from the soapbox.
Edit: Oh, and one man's pirate is another's security force ensuring non-friendlies don't infiltrate for recon and other nasty business. It is all relative.
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